This week I was teaching my 7 year old daughter, Elaine, about dozens and half dozens. We used an egg carton to count and talk about things in dozens. Today she seen a dozen and a half egg carton we have. She started talking to me about how it could hold a dozen plus six eggs or three sixes.
So began this conversation.
Me: If you had six apples and three people, how many apples could each person have?
Elaine: (holding up her finger) One.
Me: One each?
Elaine: Yes
Me: What are you going to do with all the extra apples?
Elaine: Find other people, cause you can only eat one apple at a time.
Me: Well you can eat more than one MM at a time. So, what if we had six MM's and three people, how many can each have?
Elaine: Two, cause you can eat two MM's at a time. Even a baby could.
I wish I had recorded it, it's really MUCH cutier hearing her say it.
Friday, September 21, 2012
Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Random Thoughts.
School started for us 2 weeks ago, I think. You see we don't do a lot of book work. Mostly Math and reading and learning from real life experiences. So, I don't have an official start date and end date. I'm good with that.
I am seeing that my 2nd grader is retaining alot of information. I thought it was funny that half way through her 2nd grade Math book is teaching her the basic concept of how to read a recipe. She has been doing this for years now. She likes to be in the kitchen with mom.
My boys, 5th and 8th grade, are completely independent with their math.
Rotating chore charts we began using 2 and 1/2 weeks ago are still working out good. The concept is like Smockity Frocks Paint Chip chore cards. But we use printed sheets in page protectors and washable markers to check off when done. Like this...
IF someone wants to tell me how I can upload a pdf or a working copy of my charts I will be happy to share them in such a way that you can actually read them! lol I have them in Word. Or I can email them to you, if you request them from me.
I stayed up till 3 am last night watching Barbie Diamond Castle on youtube. I am such a party animal.
Yes, I was alone. Yes, I was on a desktop. It was the first time I had noticed that youtube has full length movies on it!
Am I the only weirdo that wonders if some sicko uploads videos on there that start out as kids cartoons and turn into something totally different and inappropriate?
NO!? What?
Ok, I thought I was over thinking, again.
I am seeing that my 2nd grader is retaining alot of information. I thought it was funny that half way through her 2nd grade Math book is teaching her the basic concept of how to read a recipe. She has been doing this for years now. She likes to be in the kitchen with mom.
My boys, 5th and 8th grade, are completely independent with their math.
Rotating chore charts we began using 2 and 1/2 weeks ago are still working out good. The concept is like Smockity Frocks Paint Chip chore cards. But we use printed sheets in page protectors and washable markers to check off when done. Like this...
IF someone wants to tell me how I can upload a pdf or a working copy of my charts I will be happy to share them in such a way that you can actually read them! lol I have them in Word. Or I can email them to you, if you request them from me.
I stayed up till 3 am last night watching Barbie Diamond Castle on youtube. I am such a party animal.
Yes, I was alone. Yes, I was on a desktop. It was the first time I had noticed that youtube has full length movies on it!
Am I the only weirdo that wonders if some sicko uploads videos on there that start out as kids cartoons and turn into something totally different and inappropriate?
NO!? What?
Ok, I thought I was over thinking, again.
Friday, August 17, 2012
Yogurt Tutorial
Yogurt is one of the least time consuming things I make with our raw goats milk. I throw some stuff together and for the most part walk away. Here is how I do it. I had an old method using my oven as the heat source that was much more hands on and time consuming. I began using this method after Smockity Frock posted this tutorial of hers. http://www.smockityfrocks.com/2012/07/how-to-make-raw-goat-milk-yogurt.html So I began using my crockpot I got for christmas last year.
What you will need.
1. A crock pot that has "warm" setting and is large enough to fit your glass jar of yogurt that you will be culturing
2. A glass jar with lid. I use a 1/2 gallon mason jar. But if your making less yogurt you can use a smaller jar. Mason jars work well.
3. Fresh plain yogurt. I use Stoneyfield organic or my own less than a week old yogurt. 1/4-1/2 cup per 2 quarts of milk. You can use powdered culture. I tried this once and did not like the flavor of the culture I used. So, I went back to using Stoneyfield. Moral to the story, Choose a yogurt you like the flavor of plain. Not to tart or bitter. But you can flavor the yogurt for eating.
4. Milk. I use fresh raw goats milk. But you can use store bought pasteurized milk.
5. Warm water
6. Thermometer that will read 100-120 degrees F. (not pictured I forgot to get it out)
7. Spoon
What you will need.
1. A crock pot that has "warm" setting and is large enough to fit your glass jar of yogurt that you will be culturing
2. A glass jar with lid. I use a 1/2 gallon mason jar. But if your making less yogurt you can use a smaller jar. Mason jars work well.
3. Fresh plain yogurt. I use Stoneyfield organic or my own less than a week old yogurt. 1/4-1/2 cup per 2 quarts of milk. You can use powdered culture. I tried this once and did not like the flavor of the culture I used. So, I went back to using Stoneyfield. Moral to the story, Choose a yogurt you like the flavor of plain. Not to tart or bitter. But you can flavor the yogurt for eating.
4. Milk. I use fresh raw goats milk. But you can use store bought pasteurized milk.
5. Warm water
6. Thermometer that will read 100-120 degrees F. (not pictured I forgot to get it out)
7. Spoon
I LOVE using my oval crockpot with a timer. It fits 2 half gallon jars of milk/yogurt and I can set the timer on it for a few hours at a time and keep checking the temperature. Without worry of forgetting and it overheating and killing the yogurt bacteria.
I have goats and use 1/2 gallon jars to store my milk in. If I am making yogurt right after I milk my goats I just filter the milk into the jars with 1 cup empty for space to add yogurt and to shake it. If I am making it with cold milk already in the fridge I look for a jar that is filled about right and use that..adding or taking away milk so that it is filled to with in 1 cup of full. I use the lines on the side of the jar for measuring. So, I guess that would be 7 cups of milk per jar.. right? grin.
If making a quart you would fill with in 1/2 cup of full...and so and so forth for other amounts.
I have started with cold milk from the fridge and warm milk from the goats, but I never take the time to heat the milk up to a certain temperature like I've seen most tutorials say. I have great results with out adding this step. Nor do I pasturize my milk first by heating it up to 160-170...totally kills my purpose of owning goats. To have raw milk. I've also seen that others Sterilize their jars. I skip that as well, but your welcome to do either of those things. I prefer to save the time and take the risk.
I now add about a half cup of yogurt to each jar. I think I can use 1/4 cup, but I use 1/2. So you're welcome to play around with that. I just plop some yogurt in with a spoon until it is almost to the shoulder. So I know its less than a cup, but probably a bit more than a half a cup. More yogurt means faster culturing, but not faster by so much that I dare dirty a measuring cup to figure it all out. But as long as you have a 1/4 to a 1/2 cup per half gallon you're good. Shake, shake, shake, and shake some more till its good and mixed in. If your re culturing your own homemade yogurt and it stops working, buy new store bought yogurt. I have been able to use my own yogurt culture at least twice before having to buy more at the store. So, about once a month a buy a thing of yogurt at the store to culture with. I make yogurt weekly so that my culture is fresh enough. But things happen and sometimes it starts to weaken and needs replaced.
Put your jar(s) in the crock pot fill with warm or hot (if your starting with cold milk and yogurt this is fine to do) water to the top of the crock pot. The goal is to bring the milk and yogurt up to 110-115F and keep it there for 8-10 hours ish. I have had yogurt done in 6 hours. Probably started with warm milk and super fresh culture. I have let it go overnight as well.
Note you will NOT use the lid to your crockpot.
Turn your crockpot on warm (not low!) and set it for a 1-3 hours or set another timer to alert you for 3 hours if you have no timer on your crockpot or wish to set the crockpot timer for 12 hours. When your timer goes off check your temperature of your water and shake the jars if you want. Shaking is not necessary, but I am toucher, so I shake. If your temperature is too hot (above 115F) it will kill the yogurt culture. If too cold (below 100F) it won't activate it to multiply and turn your milk into yogurt. Once you get used to your particular crock pot, checking on the yogurt might not be necessary. I still do, because the temperature in your home will make a difference in how hot the crockpot gets.
If the temperature hits 115-120 turn the crockpot off for an hour and check back to it. With my GE crockpot and normal air temps (68-74F) I don't have to worry about checking or turning off the crockpot. When we had 90 and above air temps I had to turn off the crockpot every now and again.
The yogurt needs to culture until it thickens up. It will coat the jar and look about like drinkable yogurt you buy at the store. This will take 8-10 hours. Depending on air temps, if you use cold or warm milk, how much yogurt starter you use, and who knows what else. It will not be as thick as store bought yogurt, they use thickeners such as pectin or tapioca. You can add a thickener when you first put the yogurt starter in the milk, if you wish. I don't. I strain my yogurt to remove some of the whey to thicken it. I'll post a how to on that soon!
(insert picture of done yogurt coming later tonight! When this batch is done.)
I like to strain mine thick like Greek yogurt and add sweetener and vanilla for eating or freezing as frozen yogurt. I use it in place of sour cream when I strain it to the thickness of sour cream. I use it for cream cheese when I strain it to that consistency.
I LOVE comments and questions...so comment and ask away. :)
Enjoy!
Wednesday, August 1, 2012
I'm still here
I can't believe its August already. I've been busy making cheese, dealing with 6 gallons of milk a day. Add to that getting our house ready to host a Wedding reception/baby shower partay for my Niece and her husband.
They married in February and our families are not big on "getting together" so it shouldn't be the biggest event of a lifetime. But it will be the biggest event held at my home, to date. It will be good practice for when my oldest graduates in 4 or 5 years. Homeschoolers, geez. Can't we commit to when he will graduate? Nah.
Anyway, I just wanted to update you that I have thought about many a blog post to put up. I need more hours in my day!
I want to do another cheese tutorial. Thinking Feta. So, expect that sometime this month!
There, I did it. I made a commitment. Now, hold me to it! Grin.
They married in February and our families are not big on "getting together" so it shouldn't be the biggest event of a lifetime. But it will be the biggest event held at my home, to date. It will be good practice for when my oldest graduates in 4 or 5 years. Homeschoolers, geez. Can't we commit to when he will graduate? Nah.
Anyway, I just wanted to update you that I have thought about many a blog post to put up. I need more hours in my day!
I want to do another cheese tutorial. Thinking Feta. So, expect that sometime this month!
There, I did it. I made a commitment. Now, hold me to it! Grin.
Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Suicide
My life has been affected by suicide. More times that I care to admit. But I feel led to admit it, to talk about it. To heal my wounds. My prayer in writing this post is that someone who is struggling with dealing with suicide in their life will find some healing.
A few years later the same man that didn't understand why someone would take their own life; understood why and took his own life. My father killed himself November 9th, 1995. First he took the life of my mother, then his own life.
I really think I would have gone to see him in prison had he not taken his own life. There are times I think of him with a hate so fierce that I grit my teeth. Then there are just as many, if not more, times that I think of him and long for him. I miss him and love him greatly. He had no right to pull that trigger on either of them. But he did and now we live with that pain daily. Not talking about it, doesn't make it go away.
In 2004 my sister in-law overdosed on prescription drugs that were not her own. I believe it was close to Christmas time. She had cancer. It's debated if she intended to end her life or not. But her life ended because of her self medicating with meds that were not her own. No matter what dealer gave them to her, she chose to take them.
In May of 2005 my mother in-law overdosed on prescription drugs that were not prescribed to her. She was a drug user for as long as I knew her. No one knows if she ended her life on purpose or accident. But I do know she was not forced to take those pills. Even if someone else handed them to her or got them for her. She was an adult who took too many pills trying to dull the pain of living and died because of it.
Her brother ended his life as well. My husbands uncle. His son died in a car crash, drunk driving, with in a year of my mother in-laws death. Then with in a year of his son dieing he took his own life.
Now fresh and new my paternal Grandmother ended her own life on July 8th, 2012. I'm sure my grandma must have wondered many times what my dad was thinking and why did he have to take his own life and his wife's life!? We didn't talk about it much. I wish it wasn't the elephant in the room that it has become. My Grandpa, her husband, has been in and out of the hospital for the last month. I have not been very involved in all of it and just heard about his troubles a week ago. I'm told his doctor said he was fine, normal old age stuff. Grandpa made up his mind that he was dying and stopped eating. He is alive and in the hospital right now. What was she was thinking that she decided it was better to die than to live, we will not know exactly. She was in pain. The dominoes tipped over and could not be righted again.
When my sister told me my dad had said he didn't know what someone would have to be thinking to end their life. The first thing I said was, "Lord, we are next!" The second thing I said was, "shit". As we both have said the same thing, many times now. Of course I was joking, but it really could be true. I pray I never feel that kind of desperation. I pray no one else feels that kind of desperation, but the reality is, they will. We live in a sin cursed world.
How much can one heart bear Lord? I hurt tonight Jesus, more than most nights. Wrap my Grandpa in your loving arms, Lord. Help him want to keep living. To get better and get out of the hospital. Help those that care for him know what to say to comfort him in his time of loss. Give the doctors wisdom and discernment in how to care for him. In Jesus name, Amen.
"Respect The Need To GrieveMy first close encounter happened when my sister's husband's Grandpa ended his life. Phew that was a mouthful! My sister clearly remembers our father talking to her husband. Telling him how sorry he was, that he didn't understand why someone would take their own life. I don't remember getting a full understanding of why he did this. I think there was a doctors visit that he just never came home from. Instead he went and ended his life. Maybe he got bad news that he just couldn't deal with.
Often ignored in their grief are the parents, brothers, sisters, grandparents, aunts, uncles, spouses and children of persons who have suicided.
Why? Because of the nature of the death, it is sometimes kept a secret. If the death cannot be talked about openly, the wounds of grief will go unhealed. "
Taken from...http://www.survivorsofsuicide.com/ help_heal.shtml
A few years later the same man that didn't understand why someone would take their own life; understood why and took his own life. My father killed himself November 9th, 1995. First he took the life of my mother, then his own life.
I really think I would have gone to see him in prison had he not taken his own life. There are times I think of him with a hate so fierce that I grit my teeth. Then there are just as many, if not more, times that I think of him and long for him. I miss him and love him greatly. He had no right to pull that trigger on either of them. But he did and now we live with that pain daily. Not talking about it, doesn't make it go away.
In 2004 my sister in-law overdosed on prescription drugs that were not her own. I believe it was close to Christmas time. She had cancer. It's debated if she intended to end her life or not. But her life ended because of her self medicating with meds that were not her own. No matter what dealer gave them to her, she chose to take them.
In May of 2005 my mother in-law overdosed on prescription drugs that were not prescribed to her. She was a drug user for as long as I knew her. No one knows if she ended her life on purpose or accident. But I do know she was not forced to take those pills. Even if someone else handed them to her or got them for her. She was an adult who took too many pills trying to dull the pain of living and died because of it.
Her brother ended his life as well. My husbands uncle. His son died in a car crash, drunk driving, with in a year of my mother in-laws death. Then with in a year of his son dieing he took his own life.
Now fresh and new my paternal Grandmother ended her own life on July 8th, 2012. I'm sure my grandma must have wondered many times what my dad was thinking and why did he have to take his own life and his wife's life!? We didn't talk about it much. I wish it wasn't the elephant in the room that it has become. My Grandpa, her husband, has been in and out of the hospital for the last month. I have not been very involved in all of it and just heard about his troubles a week ago. I'm told his doctor said he was fine, normal old age stuff. Grandpa made up his mind that he was dying and stopped eating. He is alive and in the hospital right now. What was she was thinking that she decided it was better to die than to live, we will not know exactly. She was in pain. The dominoes tipped over and could not be righted again.
When my sister told me my dad had said he didn't know what someone would have to be thinking to end their life. The first thing I said was, "Lord, we are next!" The second thing I said was, "shit". As we both have said the same thing, many times now. Of course I was joking, but it really could be true. I pray I never feel that kind of desperation. I pray no one else feels that kind of desperation, but the reality is, they will. We live in a sin cursed world.
How much can one heart bear Lord? I hurt tonight Jesus, more than most nights. Wrap my Grandpa in your loving arms, Lord. Help him want to keep living. To get better and get out of the hospital. Help those that care for him know what to say to comfort him in his time of loss. Give the doctors wisdom and discernment in how to care for him. In Jesus name, Amen.
Monday, July 9, 2012
Milkshakes and death
Flash back to May of 2004
Lindsey had just left for softball, game. The kids and I were just starting to make milkshakes.
Lindsey sister called me and told me his mom was not doing good and was gonna die and to bring Lindsey right away. She overdosed at home. She died before we got there.
BUT I put the ice cream back in freezer and took the kids to a friends house and picked up Lindsey from softball. Had to tell my dear husband that his mother was dieing when I rushed into his game, just before it started. 2nd hardest thing I ever told him.
Kids didn't know their paternal Grandma that well, and they were young. Elaine was under a year old. She had seen her one time. Mother's day we took her over to see her. Elaine was born in February. His mom died in May.
I dropped the boys off at a friends. They were upset that we couldn't have milk shakes and they couldn't go with us. So, I promised them they could have milkshakes for breakfast. I must of took Elaine with us, but I dont' remember her going with us. I bet I picked up Lindsey then dropped the boys off. So the boys could sit in the car with her while I ran into the ball field. I don't remember carrying her into the ball field. I was nursing...so I am certain I didn't leave her with my friend.
That started the tradition of milkshakes for breakfast after someone dies. As long as we have ice cream and milk or can make it...we have gone and bought them at McD's before, too.
Call me crazy. I figure it's good to have something to look forward to after a sad night.
Tomorrow morning I will be making Milkshakes for breakfast. My Paternal Grandmother died this morning. A tradition that started with their paternal Grandma dieing has never saddened me like it is tonight.
My Grandma. Photo taken by my sister, Melissa. Who had this to say about her, "
For those of you that don't know, the son of hers that took his own life... was my dad.
Friday, July 6, 2012
How I deal with "kickey" goats on the milk stand
Sure the easy and obvious solution is to eat them. But if you want to keep a stubborn goat around, here is what I do that seems to work.
First, I have bottle raised goats and only have experience from that point of view. I have heard a dam raised goat is more "wild". So, good luck and it might take longer to get them tamed down. Just guessing.
Some of this is how I would milk any goat and will address kickieness as I go along.
I get the goat out of the pen, calling her by name. Let's use Angel as our "test" goat here. Since she is thee kickyest goat I have ever owned. I knew I was headed for trouble with her when she was still pregnant and would sit/lay down on the milking stand while I was trimming her hooves. My husband and I dragged her onto the milk stand twice a day, every day, for a week before she started jumping up by herself and it took 2 weeks total before I could trust her to get up there without needing the brute strength of my dear husband. This was all while she was still pregnant.
I had a 30 year goat veteran tell me that they wait till the goat kids and put her on the stand right away and don't mess around with training them to get on the stand prior to kidding. Of course that was after we wrestled a Angel for two weeks. Oye.
So, I have Angel out of the pen and she willing runs and jumps up on the stand. I put her head in the stanchion and lock it into place.
(insert pic of Angel on the milk stand locked into place prior to grain)
Since I have worked with Angel awhile now I do give her grain right away now. When she was very kicky I gave her grain after I brushed her and washed her udder. I was udders with a 1/2 a paper towel or a single select a size sheet. I have a few drops Shaklee Basic G of in a spray bottle of water. Some people find this is drying to the udder and so they use Shaklee H2 instead. I spray half the piece of paper towel with this, wipe the udder, turn to the dry half and dry the udder. If dirty I repeat.
(picture of spray bottle and paper towel)
I have already given her, her grain ration (about 4 lbs of grain), but if you have an extra kicky goat then you will give her grain at this point.
I sit down next her facing her rear, not facing her. I lean my shoulder into her side and reach up under her with my right hand as my right side is against her right side at this point.
Oh wait lets go back a bit. My milking stand is up against a wall. Then I can push her against the wall when she gets too wild. I have found my kicky goats like to be against the wall anyway. I tried flipping things around in my goat barn once and they freaked out. I had changed it so I was on their left and I had my left side against them. They all kicked and kicked. And I had trouble getting a grip on the Udder, since I am right handed its easier for me to reach under the goat with my right hand. I quickly switched it back. So, maybe address those issues in your milking set up. See if your kicky goat just wants to be milked from the other side, or with you leaning against her. Up against a wall or away from a wall. If you have a goat that was milked by someone else before you ask them what their milking area is set up like and what not that goat might just want what its used to. Did they hand milk or machine milk? Some goats are stubborn as, well, a goat!
So address those issues and come back, um Kay?
Glad to have you back. grin.
OK, so where were we?
Angel is on the milking stand. Happily eating her grain. I am sitting down facing her rear. Our right sides are touching with my shoulder leaning against her right side. I reach under her belly to her left udder with my right hand, left hand on right udder. I milk her.
Stubborn goat lifts her left hoof HIGH off the stand. I felt her lean towards me readying her self to lift a leg, so I pulled the bucket with my left hand towards me (away from her lifted/kicky leg). I used my right hand to grab her left hoof and pull it back down to the miking stand and hold it there about a half minute, while I resume milking one handed, using my left hand to milk and my right hand to hold down the offending leg. If it was her right leg I would grab it with my left hand and milk with my right. All in one sweep. I also loudly and sternly say, "Angel NO! Stand good." I release her leg after she has settle down and relaxed. In this case about a half a minute. I slowly release it, ready to grip it again if she shifts her weight like she is going to lift it again.
I have got her teat before and grabbed her leg and took her teat with it. That can't feel good to her. I wonder if that is the main reason she has decided to kick less...hm. So, if all else fails grip a teat and a leg and pull down. (insert evil laugh here)
I also take two stainless steel milk buckets out to milk my four goats. I put 1 frozen water bottle in each bucket to get the milk cooling right away. If you have a really kicky goat I suggest having 1 small bucket you can milk into and dump into the larger bucket(s) periodically. So you don't lose all the milk if she succeeds in getting her hove in the bucket. Or on the edge of the bucket and tips it. I would MUCH rather have a hoof in the bucket and have to dump milk than to have the bucket flip over and spill it everywhere. Easier clean up.
Angel is doing MUCH better. Meaning she lifts a leg up or kicks 2 or three times during our 10 minute milking session, verses 10 or more times. She also does not squat down on the bucket like she did a couple times before.
For squatting on the bucket I jam my shoulder up under her and lift up and tell her, "NO, Angel Stand good." I have been told you can put a bucket or stool or something under their belly, for really stubborn squatters. But she is the only squatter I have had and she does it very rarely.
My first two goats were kickers as well. For them tying them to the goat stand worked. So, I tried this with Angel, once. That was all I needed to know it was a very bad idea.
I tied bailing twine to the leg that she kicked with most often and tied it to the leg of the milking stand. tight enough that I thought she would not be able to lift her leg. She promptly backed up and created some slack and lifted her leg! Then she leaned forward and mule kicked, lots. End of experiment with tieing down her leg. Angel then thought, "That'll learn ya! Don't tie me down!"
First, I have bottle raised goats and only have experience from that point of view. I have heard a dam raised goat is more "wild". So, good luck and it might take longer to get them tamed down. Just guessing.
Some of this is how I would milk any goat and will address kickieness as I go along.
I get the goat out of the pen, calling her by name. Let's use Angel as our "test" goat here. Since she is thee kickyest goat I have ever owned. I knew I was headed for trouble with her when she was still pregnant and would sit/lay down on the milking stand while I was trimming her hooves. My husband and I dragged her onto the milk stand twice a day, every day, for a week before she started jumping up by herself and it took 2 weeks total before I could trust her to get up there without needing the brute strength of my dear husband. This was all while she was still pregnant.
I had a 30 year goat veteran tell me that they wait till the goat kids and put her on the stand right away and don't mess around with training them to get on the stand prior to kidding. Of course that was after we wrestled a Angel for two weeks. Oye.
So, I have Angel out of the pen and she willing runs and jumps up on the stand. I put her head in the stanchion and lock it into place.
(insert pic of Angel on the milk stand locked into place prior to grain)
Since I have worked with Angel awhile now I do give her grain right away now. When she was very kicky I gave her grain after I brushed her and washed her udder. I was udders with a 1/2 a paper towel or a single select a size sheet. I have a few drops Shaklee Basic G of in a spray bottle of water. Some people find this is drying to the udder and so they use Shaklee H2 instead. I spray half the piece of paper towel with this, wipe the udder, turn to the dry half and dry the udder. If dirty I repeat.
(picture of spray bottle and paper towel)
I have already given her, her grain ration (about 4 lbs of grain), but if you have an extra kicky goat then you will give her grain at this point.
I sit down next her facing her rear, not facing her. I lean my shoulder into her side and reach up under her with my right hand as my right side is against her right side at this point.
Oh wait lets go back a bit. My milking stand is up against a wall. Then I can push her against the wall when she gets too wild. I have found my kicky goats like to be against the wall anyway. I tried flipping things around in my goat barn once and they freaked out. I had changed it so I was on their left and I had my left side against them. They all kicked and kicked. And I had trouble getting a grip on the Udder, since I am right handed its easier for me to reach under the goat with my right hand. I quickly switched it back. So, maybe address those issues in your milking set up. See if your kicky goat just wants to be milked from the other side, or with you leaning against her. Up against a wall or away from a wall. If you have a goat that was milked by someone else before you ask them what their milking area is set up like and what not that goat might just want what its used to. Did they hand milk or machine milk? Some goats are stubborn as, well, a goat!
So address those issues and come back, um Kay?
Glad to have you back. grin.
OK, so where were we?
Angel is on the milking stand. Happily eating her grain. I am sitting down facing her rear. Our right sides are touching with my shoulder leaning against her right side. I reach under her belly to her left udder with my right hand, left hand on right udder. I milk her.
Stubborn goat lifts her left hoof HIGH off the stand. I felt her lean towards me readying her self to lift a leg, so I pulled the bucket with my left hand towards me (away from her lifted/kicky leg). I used my right hand to grab her left hoof and pull it back down to the miking stand and hold it there about a half minute, while I resume milking one handed, using my left hand to milk and my right hand to hold down the offending leg. If it was her right leg I would grab it with my left hand and milk with my right. All in one sweep. I also loudly and sternly say, "Angel NO! Stand good." I release her leg after she has settle down and relaxed. In this case about a half a minute. I slowly release it, ready to grip it again if she shifts her weight like she is going to lift it again.
I have got her teat before and grabbed her leg and took her teat with it. That can't feel good to her. I wonder if that is the main reason she has decided to kick less...hm. So, if all else fails grip a teat and a leg and pull down. (insert evil laugh here)
I also take two stainless steel milk buckets out to milk my four goats. I put 1 frozen water bottle in each bucket to get the milk cooling right away. If you have a really kicky goat I suggest having 1 small bucket you can milk into and dump into the larger bucket(s) periodically. So you don't lose all the milk if she succeeds in getting her hove in the bucket. Or on the edge of the bucket and tips it. I would MUCH rather have a hoof in the bucket and have to dump milk than to have the bucket flip over and spill it everywhere. Easier clean up.
Angel is doing MUCH better. Meaning she lifts a leg up or kicks 2 or three times during our 10 minute milking session, verses 10 or more times. She also does not squat down on the bucket like she did a couple times before.
For squatting on the bucket I jam my shoulder up under her and lift up and tell her, "NO, Angel Stand good." I have been told you can put a bucket or stool or something under their belly, for really stubborn squatters. But she is the only squatter I have had and she does it very rarely.
My first two goats were kickers as well. For them tying them to the goat stand worked. So, I tried this with Angel, once. That was all I needed to know it was a very bad idea.
I tied bailing twine to the leg that she kicked with most often and tied it to the leg of the milking stand. tight enough that I thought she would not be able to lift her leg. She promptly backed up and created some slack and lifted her leg! Then she leaned forward and mule kicked, lots. End of experiment with tieing down her leg. Angel then thought, "That'll learn ya! Don't tie me down!"
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